And I don't think Cell would purposefully let himself be injured. Weedle McHairybug 18:17, May 11, 2011 (UTC), You both are wrong. It was the fusion of powers of the z fighter that made him stronger. Cell proved himselft to be more powerful than SSJ2 Gohan when he fired a ki blast against Vegeta. The only chance we have of beating Cell is to rely on Gohan's hidden power". I'd agree with you thought about adult SSJ2 Gohan being on par with Cell, since he was equally matched up against Dabura, but that was because Gohan became a non-training nerd for 7 years. If we do consider the energy then my choice will still stick to Cell because Cell (in Super Pefect form) is much more powerful than LSSJ Broly. goku and gohan werent "fpssj" but just regular ssjs. @perethorn: Literally, the only difference between the two is electricity. Plus the disscusion is about regular Perfect Cell not Super Perfect. how can you think mssj goku stands more of a chance vs broly than ssj2 gohan? Super Perfect Cell >> Broly ~/> Perfect Cell. we know for a fact gohan didnt have the same power in movie 8 as he does in cell games. Also the blast is blowing their hair back so it is harder to tell. So, this is the way I see it: LSS Broly > SS 2 ault Gohan = 50% SS 2 kid Gohan > Super Perfect Cell. "was able to defeat with barely any effort what would have been the equivalent of nine super saiyans". Cell was pwned by SSJ2 Gohan. Cell is stronger broly won't stand a chance against cell at full power or even when he was suppressed against goku. All times he was defeated his guard was down. But taking them just as they are, I think movie 10 Broly would have SPC, but I can see SPC taking out movie 8 Broly. I know Broly isn't canon, but I would love to hear an accurate answer about this. 1. 'Well, it's a very bad comparison since it's very obvious that FPSSJ can't scratch a SSJ2. Anyone can just say, "Character X would decimate character Y and there is no explanation needed!!!" On a side note, almost every DBZ movie contains some "PIS" and it's annoying as hell. at one point, and he is much stronger in Second Coming even though he's only been sitting in an iceberg. Gohan as an adult was weaker but not 50% weaker. 'He survived attacks from four beings stronger than regular Super Saiyans. Again, it's very biased comparison. I think SS2 kid Gohan was stronger. Cell has some Amazing powers, as shown he can defeat the Z fighters without even going full power. (where as Cell was only taking on one at a time for all but the very end of the fight), he was basically unnafected by any of these attacks. so ssj2 = ssj1 x 7. cell was not using even half his power when beating goku. It took SSJ2 Gohan to unleash his hidden power while in his SSJ2 state in order to destroy SPC. Cell on the other hand has the brains of Piccolo, Vegeta, Gohan, Goku, Nappa, Tien, Yamcha, Raditz, Freeza, Krillin, Chiaotzu and King Cold. SP Cell heavily damaged Gohan with a single blast. If Broly was weaker than Cell, then please explain why they went to fight Broly instead of waiting until Cell was defeated. Round 1: MM vs. M10 Broly Round 2: MM vs. Super Perfect Cell Round 3: MM vs. Base Demigra Round 4: MM vs. Super Buuhan Round 5: MM vs. Janemba Speed Equalized. He completely pisses his pants and turns into a total wuss. No he attacked it (original japanese dub of Movie 8). In Raging Blast 2, LSS Broly and SS2 kid Gohan fight and LSS Broly dominates him and SS2 kid Gohan says, "He's a monster!" you have to be in ssj2 to output ssj2 energy. w/o regen, id say broly. this was said when gohan was faced with the prospect of battling dabura. simple. broly is weaker than ssj2 goku handily. A Super Saiyan 3 has 4 times the power of a Super Saiyan 2. I tried explaining it, but apparently people don't seem to get this. I'm just not impressed by SPC. the easiest explanation is cell games gohan is completely different and much stronger than movie 8 gohan."'. all the z fighters agreed his ki was falling faster than cell's was. Well Gohan was the weakest Saiyan in that movie. >Because Goku already knew that after only one day Gohan could already beat Cell; he waned to pass the torch to Gohan. These are the abilities that Cell has if we don't involve the energy of those two characters. ssj2 isnt ssj1 + ssj1. Pure fanboyism. wow u guys dont know that according to v-jump broly is almost half as strong gogeta ssj1 p.s gogeta2,500,000,000 and broly 1,400,000,000 which aslso mean he either is almost or stonger than super sayian 3 goku in the buu saga. Similarly, Cell was pretty much horrified when it seemed like Goku would actually fire the Kamehameha at the Earth, only to be completely shocked and even more horrified when Goku practiced the Warp Kamehameha. When Broly was hit with the kamehameha wave, he wasn't damaged in the slightest. Now for the people who say that he's weaker then he was when he fought Cell. Hiruman (talk) 01:34, August 29, 2012 (UTC). And if they really wanted to establish that Broly is weaker than a SSJ2 Gohan, they shouldn't have had Goku and the others being beaten to a bloody pulp by Broly despite their ganging up on him. @fallschirmjager: broly at movie 10 is high SSJ2 tier.At most he can defeat SSJ2 Goku or Majin Vegeta but would lose to anybody that is SSJ3 Goku caliber or above. And theres my rant, whew. otherwise your just giving base form energy. Broly then flies up to the mountain to charge his Omega Blaster while Gohan fires his Kamehameha. gohan survived because videl came to his rescue. i didnt. 208.87.233.180 14:40, August 30, 2012 (UTC). This video is unavailable. He wasn't trying to deflect the blast or defend himself in any way; his only concern was to throw himself in harm's way to protect Vegeta. 3:05. amanoginji83. Broly would definitely defeat Cell. It was a physical injury. ". The fact is, if they really wanted to establish that SSJ2 Gohan was more than capable of defeating Broly, they'd have Goku encourage him to draw out all of Gohan's power and have him go SSJ2 and end the movie with Broly being one-shotted by Gohan, not Goku telling Gohan to flee, since that implies the exact opposite. To make Chi-Chi worry? only ssj2 was capable of matching against him. But the thing is Goku didn't have another transformation at the time and Broly did. Great selection of Dragon Ball Z at affordable prices! Free shipping to 185 countries. Anyways, that's just my estimates. Creation and design. Goku was stated as very tired and was going to be killed by Cell had he fought on further. Now, going by the fact that this movie takes place during the Ten Day Wait according to the Japanese version (at least, that's what I heard from some users), and Goku not only chose Gohan to fight Perfect Cell specifically because of his inner power and was barely even surprised at Gohan's SSJ2 form, but if the flashback in Cell's Mighty Breakdown implies anything, he also knew about Gohan's SSJ2 form ever since he briefly transformed into it during their ROSAT training while Cell was still in his imperfect form, and he even heavily implied at having a plan to defeat Cell despite his self-admission that Goku doesn't even stand a chance against Cell (the plan being Gohan defeating him, as revealed later). Now, if we talk about Super Perfect Cell, Gohan defeated him with a Kamehameha. SuperGogeta91 18:15, October 31, 2011 (UTC). besides gohan and vegeta are massively depowered compared to the series. , with him getting I count only one good shot (maybe two, if Gohan punching Broly in the face after freeing himself from the cliff that Broly piledrived him into counts as a connected hit) out of the four hits at Broly (by that, I mean where the attack actually connected and causing enough damage to at the very least stun him, if not do a sizable amount of damage). Now, during the second coming, Broly's power level has skyrocketed to 5,000,000,000. but when LSS Broly meets SS2 Vegeta, they apparently stalemate and Vegeta says, "I thought you were better than this, or have I become too strong?" Saying Super Buu must be so much weaker than SS3 because SS3 Gotenks might have been able to beat him is like saying Janemba must be so much weaker than SS1 since SS1 Gogeta destroyed him without breaking a sweat. NO ELABORATION NEEDED! if brolys as strong as you say, he should have killed everyone with his pinky finger. because cell blasted the shit out of him. and the gt perfect files called ssj4 the true legendary state. How the hell was my last post deleted? which means SPC's superiority over Gohan. Broly's power continues to increase constantly non-stop. Broly was on-guard when hit by the Kamehameha and was unfazed, as you say. If the first than it's about even. The ONLY reason Trunks couldn't beat Cell was because that form was too slow and it consumed too much energy so Trunks couldn't maintain it at full capacity. since this is not the case and goku tells gohan he is useless on this battlefield means gohan can beat cell but someone weaker than gohan stands more of a chance than gohan does against an enemy beyond cells level. He can't regenerate, and seems to have trouble controlling his power. Cell had held back against Goku when they fought, and was completely off-guard when hit by the Warp Kamehameha (held for 1 min 4 sec anime time, compared to the 10 sec screen time with Broly). 'Three, Vegeta was horrified by the power of LSSJ-Broly, while with Perfect Cell he was acting standard, and confident that he could beat him. As has been noted and corrected dozens of times, Gohan and Goku were both SS2 in Movie 10. everything you just said is wrong. he overpowered them INDIVIDUALLY, but when they combined into one power they were clearly way superior to him in power. It is implicit that LSSJ Broly (First Fight) is stronger than Perfect Cell, really much stronger. he would want ssj2 gohan with him by his side fighting. With the powers combined, they have a power far beyond a Super Saiyan 2. Also, SSJ2 is indeed double the strength of an SSJ. There are 60 lyrics related to Goku And Vegeta Vs Broly Rap Battle Ssj9k. Actually broly because of the simple fact that cell was beaten by a super saiyan 2 broly goes over ss2beats cells ass a lot quicker than ss2 gohan there's your answer test my theory put cell vs broly your welcome, Actually broly because of the simple fact that cell was beaten by, when was it ever said that broly's power rises every second answer that for btw i think cell would becasue it took a super saiyan 2 to defeat him plus this is about broly first coming vs cell if it was broly second coming or bio broly cell would lose, Broly says, "My ki is rising!" Also, even after Goku powers up to SS, Frieza is still able to give Goku one hell of a fight and Goku was trying his hardest. We should be fair and consistent here. This argument is crap, only because Gohan defeated 7 Cell Jr.s, he is'nt 7 times as strong as they are. Of course, Buu wasn't out though, as he absorbed Gotenks and Buutenks annihilated Mystic Gohan. Fourth, First-Coming Broly is practically the same level of Super Perfect Cell. Android 17 was able to beat SSj Trunks, Piccolo, and Tien, and Android 16 was much stronger than 17. No, he'd regenerate. broly would have no chance. 4: broly's power doesn't rise forever or he'd blow up Quien gana de estos dos. Broly notices this, gets afraid, and then transforms into his Legendary Super Saiyan form. I might be wrong, but at least it's more accurate than the whole "Cell is stronger" arguement. And you should know that a fused character is always exponentially stronger, so it's not as easy as saying, "Well obviously Super Buu is weaker than SS3 because SS3 Gotenks could take him on." Super Perfect Cell will have the upper hand against Broly at the start. yes but he was only ssj1 regardless. ", "evidence that is bullshit and easily dismantled. ", Even though movie 8 fits in the anime continuity, for some strange reason Goku does not know anything whatsoever about Gohan's hidden powers so this argument won't work. Damn, why didn't they just do that all the time to defeat every villain instead of trying to ascend Super Saiyan LOL? Broly was unphased, as shortly thereafter, Broly grabs both Gohan's arms, and then does a backbreaker technique. Don't give me this BS that Cell could do it too because there is no proof of that. 1.4 bil. 3 2. Cell basically tells off Goku for keeping his power level low, to which Goku remarks that Cell's holding back as well, to which Cell retorts that "little by little, I shall unveil the true power that lies within me." He won't achieve SSJ2 form even he train for 1 more day. if it was, he would have killed them all with one hit each like when gohan fought cell jrs. Reply. http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/clubwind/cabinet/card22/3100010221338-1.jpg -theGoon208.87.233.180 18:33, August 30, 2012 (UTC). he was ssj1, notice the lack of sparks that was once so present in the previous movie. And I'm not sure what you mean by the candy argument. "They didnt. Let's see, Broly said "If you'd just let me kill you all before, you wouldn't be in this kind of pain now: You're all a complete and utter waste of Saiyan Blood!" Plus Broly's never used his full power in a fight just imagine how strong he would be then. imagine full powered senzu cell. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. 6,004. But going logically Cell. I can't use SSJ3 Gotenks in my argument because he's a fused character, but it's okay for you to used it in Buutenks vs Gohan...?>>'. goten was no help at all due to being pathetically weak. A Super Saiyan 2 haves the power of 2 Super Saiyans. Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links. It's called having reserve energy. Broly defeated Gohan the quickest out of anyone that fought, twice. Vegeta implied that Trunks had a similar increase in power (He mentioned something about if he fails to defeat Cell, Trunks will defeat him), and I sincerely doubt it was from training, considering the fact that Vegeta didn't even train with Trunks (in fact, a flashback to Vegeta and Trunks' ROSAT training even had Vegeta driving away Trunks when Trunks tried to help him). Base-form Goku toying with Cell & Frieza is PIS. The same Goku who want to test his strength against Android even though he had been warned by F. Trunks... And now after he knew that Gohan's Hidden Power could beat Cell, he suddenly became, "Ok, I'll let you hog all the glory with your Hidden Power son, but I'm not responsible if you died in the process, lol".

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